[Tank01]

Hi, I was curious if any of you women out there have tried and successfully used t3 or dnp...all I hear is that women shouldnt do either... now Id like to know why exactly... Im not talking about high doses of either drug... like 25mcg t3 for 6 weeks and maybe DNP for 14 days at 200mg. Can anyone.. any women, or men, shed some light on this subject for me please? Thanks a lot gals and guys. The only reason I can think of that DNP shouldnt be used is that DNP gets everywhere and since women are born with a set number of eggs it might effect her ability to produce offspring later on in her life.
Other than that, ive heard that women respond really well to DNP, so Id like to hear some first hand experiences if there are any. On the subject of T3, ive heard things like "women dont recover as easy as men do from thyroid supression" so Id be skeptical to think about using this at all on a woman...

any replies would be welcome, thanks

oh, BTW... im a guy just so everyone knows... Im here doing research for a female friend of mine who is considering AAS...

thanks ladies

[Effie_drine]

T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period.

Tank!
Here is a great article on T-3, I couldn't write a better response than this. Hope you like it Effie

Female Steroid Usage 101

By: Micro (basskilleronline)

Lots of people have very strong convictions against women using steroids. The most common misconceptions involve the strain of though that steroids will turn a woman into a muscle-bound man with a vagina. Although this may be true in some cases, the fact remains that steroids could be very beneficial to women.

Sure, if you inject a woman with testosterone, she will eventually develop very male characteristics. In fact, this is likely to occur with the use of most steroids. Some side effects may include deepening of the voice, development of facial and body hair, and clitoral enlargement. Some sports, like female bodybuilding, encourage the participants to develop unnatural amounts of muscle. So in an attempt to excel at their chosen sport, some women do in fact make that ultimate sacrifice. That is where the common misconceptions are born.

There is also a moral issue to deal with. Is it fair to use foreign substances to achieve a thin and beautiful body? I believe that it is fair. After all, are not E/C/A, protein supplements, and the such foreign substances? One may argue that steroids would cause a higher amount of damage to the body. While this is true if the wrong steroids are used, if a female steroid user has the proper guidance, there is no risk at all. There are also many other points that bother me about our society's disdain for female steroid usage. Many claim that it is such a shallow motive to want to look good. I beg to differ. Would you prefer the woman to continue life feeling bad and ashamed of her body? Perhaps having to settle with a mate that she deems unworthy? I think not.

Explain to me why it is socially acceptable to use the birth control pill, which is a steroid, to be able to have frivolous sex? Why is it ok for a woman who feels like she is a man to have a sex change procedure? I say procedure because, unlike the male-to-female sex change operations, there is no genital mutilation involved in turning a woman into a "man." When a woman seeks to change sexes, they prescribe to her large amounts of testosterone. Yes, you heard me right, steroids. So why is it ok to use steroids to have frivolous sex and change your appearance to be more masculine, while it is so wrong to use steroids in an attempt to lose fat and be healthy? Our society is one filled with many contradictions. Sometimes I am disgusted with society's hypocrisy.

I am here to shed light into an often-shunned topic. I am here to guide you in the proper usage of steroids. I am here to show you how to use steroids without losing any femininity. I am also here to tell you that if used correctly, steroids will NOT hurt you. If used correctly, steroids will NOT make you more masculine. If use correctly, steroids will NOT pose any health risks to you.

We must first determine your ultimate goals. If your goal is to gain as much muscle as possible, with no regard to preserving your feminine qualities, please go elsewhere. This article is not for you. If your goal is to lose fat and perhaps tighten and harder your body up while remaining as feminine as can be, please keep reading.

I will first address the issue of losing fat. There is no point in hardening your muscles and developing a tight body, if a soft layer of fat is going to hide it. It is often to your advantage to lose the fat before gaining the muscle.

Three of the most potent and most popular fat-burning medications used by athletes today are tri-iodothyronine (also known as T3), Clenbuterol, and DNP. I highly suggest avoiding the use of DNP. Not only can it kill you, but it will also damage all of your eggs, thus effectively destroying your ability to have normal babies. Due to the dangers involved with the use of DNP (more so for women), I will avoid discussing it in this article.

The combination of T3 and Clenbuterol has changed many physiques in this day and age. T3 is often used in the medical field to treat obese people. Wolman SI and company did an experiment in which obese patients were treated with 20mcg of T3 three times a day. The research showed a significant increase in weight-loss with no noted adverse side effects. Ventz M. did a similar experiment using 200mcg of T3 a day. T3 is highly effective and, if done correctly, safe. Doses of 150+mcg have been shown to significantly increase the chances of permanent thyroid shutdown. So I recommend using no more than 100mcg a day for no longer than 2 weeks at a time. (1,2)

Clenbuterol is a recently popular drug used by athletes in many sports for its purported anabolic effects and reduction of subcutaneous fat. It is a beta-2 (beta 2) agonist prescribed overseas as a bronchodilator, but not approved for use in this country. Clenbuterol indeed increases the deposition rate of lean mass and retards adipose gain. Clenbuterol is most often found in the form of .02mcg tablets. Male athletes tend to use 5-8 tablets a day. Female athletes tend to use 4-6 tablets a day. Much like T3, Clenbuterol should not be used for over 2 weeks in a row. Spread your doses throughout the day. (3)

With the use of T3 and Clenbuterol, expect to see your body-fat melt away but only if you use the right diet and workouts. I suggest you use the Bodyopus diet and do early-morning endurance exercises. If you are not familiar with the diet, I suggest you buy the book Bodyopus written by Dan Duchaine.

So here is what your fat-loss cycling should look like:

Day 1: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Day 2: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 3-10: 4 tablets of Clenbuterol and 75mcg of T3
Days 11 & 12: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 13 & 14: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Days 15 to 28: no T3 or Clenbuterol

Once you reach day 28, you can start over again at 1. Repeat this cycle as many times as it takes to achieve your desired fat-loss. And remember, you have to follow a good diet and do a lot of cardio.

[Tank01]

Thanks for the article... Some of it conflicts what I already know about AAS and how to apply it to my own body.. but maybe its differnt for women...

here is what I had planned:

I was planning on doing a 6 week cycle consiting of T3 (thyroxine), Clen, and Anavar.

My reasons for those three are as such:

T3 in women has a tendency to depleate their bones of calcium, so the anavar is there to increase mineral retention in the bones (which hopefully will cancel out any effect the t3 might have on them)... also... you are right... T3 is extreamly catabolic so I added in the anavar to help promote anabolism (not with the idea of growing any huge amount... more just to help preserve what she has already worked for).. its also a good thing because when the Androgen is bonded to the Androgen receptor on its target cell it blocks cortisol from atatching ... so that is another plus. I added in the clen for added fat burning via stimulating the B2 receptors in her brown fat to start generating heat. problem with clen is that it slightly supresses your thyroid which is why I decided that a combo of thyroid and clen would be best... along with anavar to help her keep her gains she has made so far. Oh, she will also be taking Bromocriptine throughout the whole time @ 2.5mg per day... every morning as soon as she wakes.

the cylce was going to look like this

Bromo: weeks 1-6 @ 2.5mg ED (AM only)
Anavar: weeks 1-6 @ 10mg ED (maybe even 15 depending)
Clen: weeks 1-2 and 4-6 (standard cycle pattern)
T3: week 1 : 12.5mcg ED
weeks 2-5: 25mg ED
week 6: 12.5mg ED

Now I figured that this was a pretty mild cycle and that she would get rather decent results from it... I suppose I could have the T3 go up to as much as 50mcg per day... maybe durring weeks 3 and 4....

but after reading the article... im not sure... ive never heard anyone doing 2 week cycles of t3... and honestly what the recomend seems rather dangerous. starting at 25mcg and all of a sudden going to 50mcg on the 2nd day and then boom 75mcg on the third? that is a real bad Idea... Your thyroid is a very delicate gland... only every 4 days (minimum!!!) should you increase your levels of t3... 8 weeks is the longest ive heard acceptable for administering t3... 6 weeks is what the standard is.

Its also too bad that the author didnt go into DNP... DNP is wonderfull... when taken correctly... when taken incorrectly it can lead to death which is probobly why the author chose not to elaborate on the subject. Because it would be real tempting to take a product if you knew that you could lose about 1 pound of pure fat per day (no exageration).. plus the added benifit that its protein sparing....

Let me know what you think about my cycle plan,

thanks

[Liftingchic]

great advice.. E..


i am wondering what your diet and cardio look like? these aren't magic pills so without diet and cardio...you aren't going to see good results

[Tank01]

Originally Posted by Liftingchic

great advice.. E..


i am wondering what your diet and cardio look like? these aren't magic pills so without diet and cardio...you aren't going to see good results

Diet, cardio, and weights are all on key... this is a tough girl..

[Liftingchic]

ok.. what is on key to you may not be on key to us.... seriously... can i have a good idea about how many cals/carbs/pro on the diet....


how long has she been working out?

has she tried a ECA stack?

[ttuPrincess]

I have heard wonderful things about t-3, but women should not use DNP.. and if you are sexually active and your man is using DNP you should use a condom.
DNP can kill your eggs, while if it kills sperm in men they still produce more, which we cannot do.

Princess

[Liftingchic]

i think DNP is ok for Exp. AAS users.. that have been in the game for a while and now their bodies.. its all about how you use it..

[Mrs. Shoulders]

i've mentioned under another subject that my husband known as Mr. Shoulders, has researched AAS for many years and continues to.....so i asked him about the supplements mentioned here for the one asking the questions and for myself as well.....he told me that DNP was poison.....and that anyone taking T3 must be very careful.....i was interested in T3 for myself but now am not so sure....

[mz_w8Lifter]

every body's body is different. what works for one might not work for another. i for one am currently on clen and t3 and i am seeing great results. this is my 2nd cycle of clen and i have been running t3 for awhile now.